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013 Dialog Between Saqib Chrissie And Ibrahim

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Saqib

Hello! Can you tell me the difference between hajj and umrah?

Chrissie

Thank you for the question.
I’ll be glad to help

Saqib

Hajj is also known as the Major Pilgrimage.
It is a Pillar of Islam, and obligatory once in a lifetime.
Umrah is known as the Minor Hajj.
It is not a Pillar of islam, and a person can perform it any time of the year.
Umrah also is shorter and has less steps.

Saqib

Are there rules for Umrah?

Chrissie

Yes. Umrah is like the beginning half of Hajj.
There is Ihram.
7 circuits around the Kabah.
2 Units of Prayer.
Then travel 7 times between Safa/Marwa mountains.
and finally cut some hair to finish.

Saqib

But it is limited to Muslims. The holy cities are limited anyway, right?

Chrissie

Yes, Makkah is limited to Muslims only.
The Hajj imitates the steps taken by Prophet Abraham with his son Ishmael.

Saqib

OK. A gentleman asked me to accompany him, so he expects me to convert first. What about cutting hair?

Chrissie

There is no force in Religion (Quran Chapter 2, verse 256)
So a person who is not willing to be a Muslim, there is no point is faking or pretending to be Muslim to make another person happy.

Saqib

Everything has to be a persons own choice.

Saqib

Chrissie

And God will ask us about all our choices in life, on the Day of Judgement (after our death when we are all brought back to life).

Saqib

As for the Hair, then women snip it (about size of part of a finger).

Saqib

OK, that’s not too much.

Chrissie

As for men, they can shorten, but it is better for them to shave the hair of the head.
This is because we are told that for every single hair strand that is cut, a sin is wiped away.

Saqib

Oh that’s a nice idea.

Chrissie

It is only the hair cutting at either Hajj or Umrah… not other times.

Saqib

Muslimas let it grow?
I mean: without cutting it ever?

Chrissie

Sorry I don’t understand?

Saqib

When there is no hair cutting except for hajj and umrah, are women required to just let their hair grow?

Chrissie

Not exactly.
They can if they want to

Saqib

Chrissie

But what they are told is that their hair must be longer than their shoulder length.
And men can not have their hair longer than their shoulder length.

Saqib

This is to keep distinction between men and women (we can not copy each other)

Saqib

Oh I see. Yes, and they need to grow a beard, and wear no gold or silk

Chrissie

The beard is a practice of the Prophets of God.
Adam, Noah had a beard
Abraham had a beard,
Prophet Moses and Aron had beard.

Saqib

King Solomon and King David had beards.
Jesus had a bread.

Saqib

Oh I love long beards

Chrissie

And the Prophet Muhammad had a beard.
So it is highly emphasized practice for men.

Saqib

Well, thank you for the information

Chrissie

The only ruling with beard is that is had to be at least the size of a fist.
So the man does NOT need to have a long beard.
Fist is a closed hand

Saqib

OK, that’s a good size

Chrissie

However can i ask you why you are not a Muslim?
if you dont mind me asking

Saqib

No I don’t . I am Christian already

Chrissie

We believe in Jesus

Saqib

In jesus?

Chrissie

Yes.
He is mentioned many places in the Quran
And so is his mother.

Saqib

But where is the difference? I know: He’s not son of god, right?

Chrissie

Full Chapter Mary (Chapter 19 of the Quran is named after a Woman)

Saqib

Mary? The Mother of Jesus?

Chrissie

Yes

Saqib

I didn’t know that!

Chrissie

Chapter Mary Mother of Jesus is a Chapter of the Quran

Saqib

So what makes the difference?

Chrissie

And Chapter 3 of the Quran is named after the Grandfather of Jesus

Saqib

The difference is that we are told by the God of Adam and Noah and Abraham, that changes were made to the religion of Jesus

Saqib

Changes by the Christian church?

Chrissie

These were additions and deletions that Jesus is free and innocent from.
But people changed words in the Bible.

Saqib

I heard about that. One reason why I don’t attend church service

Chrissie

There could be a number of reasons… but we are told by God that Jesus never said he was God

Saqib

Jesus never said that he was son of God.
Jesus never said “worship me”

Saqib

Really?

Chrissie

That we are told that we must follow the religion of Abraham and Noah and Adam.
That Jesus called to this way

Saqib

Well, it seems I have to study islam a bit. I used to be a very religious girl, but nowadays there are mostly atheists around me. Which doesn’t feel good. But I am not in to tell you the story of my lifetime

Chrissie

OK, I have the answer to my question. And you just raised some interest in me. I am looking forward to discuss Islam with you in the future.

Chrissie

We believe that the 1st religion was that of Prophet Adam
And we was created withOUT a mother or father.
This is in the Bible.

Saqib

yes

Chrissie

But does this also make Adam a “son of God” because he had no father?

Saqib

Chrissie

I agree with you.
So what makes Jesus the “son of God” ?

Saqib

I absolutely don’t know

Chrissie

It is said that he was born miraculously withOUT a father (to a Virgin Mary).
So SOMEBODY said that the father must be God.

Saqib

Ok, who said tat?

Chrissie

But the same God tells us in the Quran tells us that this is not correct.

Saqib

That sounds sensible

Chrissie

That is an example of the change in the Bible

Saqib

I see. But I never believed literally in the bible

Chrissie

The Quran tells us about the original true call of Jesus and all the other true Prophets of God.

Saqib

Ok. So it’s a new bible, or maybe better: The real bible
This sounds good to me.

Chrissie

What I find difficult in Islam is the role of women
They have to obey their husbands, wear headscarfs

Chrissie

We believe that it is a completion of the Torah (Old Testament) and the Gospel (New Testament)…
Revealed by the SAME GOD.

Saqib

And in it, God Promised that He will protect this last Book from corruption or change.
And God said, if there is a book that claims to be from God…
If it is not from God, then you will find many contradictions within it.

Saqib

If Quran is from God, then there will be no contradictions within it.

Saqib

I mean: Girls like to dress sharp, to draw attention. But that isn’t acceptet in Islam

Chrissie

Girls should be dressed up more like Mary (mother of Jesus).

Saqib

Chrissie

And Muslim men in the Middle East dress up like Joseph.

Saqib

Alright

Chrissie

Look at a Christian Nativity play at Christmas…

Saqib

yes

Chrissie

You will see Christians dressed up in Muslim clothes.

Saqib

Haha, that’s true!

Chrissie

Even the 3 wise men had similar long clothes.

Saqib

Sure!

Chrissie

They even have a turban.
Jesus had similar long clothes.

Saqib

So you mean the fashion is not according to the religion in christianity

Chrissie

The rule with clothes we have is that
(1) it must cover the private parts,
(2) it must not be tight clothes to show the body part (so maybe the clothes are baggy).

Saqib

I tell you something: At a certain age, I was thinking about giving up all luxury and good looks and spend the rest of my life dooing good deeds.

Chrissie

As for INSIDE the house, a person can wear what they want that covers their private parts.
OUTSIDE the house, Muslims must cover up.
This is BOTH men and women.

Saqib

Chrissie

Women do NOT wear black INSIDE the house.
Nor do they cover up the same way INSIDE the house.

Saqib

Chrissie

The reason for all these regulations is because we are told
(1) To keep away from Adultery/Fornication.
(2) And anything that leads to Adultery/Fornication.
Thats all.

Saqib

I see. SO the intention is good

Chrissie

So INSIDE the house, a Woman wears makeup and dresses up.
Also OUTSIDE with other Women, it is the same.
ONLY outside infront of other Men does she need to cover up.

Saqib

Means a girl can dress up to a certain extend. Thats good. But how does she find a husband?

Chrissie

Girl can dress up to full extent if she wants… but that is ONLY for her Husband.

Saqib

#Loyalty in relationship due to Marriage.
There is commitment.

Saqib

OK. This sounds sensible

Chrissie

This is different to the way she may dress up infront of her Father, or her Borther, or her Son, or her Uncle, or Grandfather.
Here she dresses modestly.

Saqib

Chrissie

And this is different to how she dresses up infront of strange men who are not related to her.

Saqib

This isn’t a bad thing.

Chrissie

But if it is Women ONLY… then she again has no restriction on her dress.
She can take off her outer garment.

Saqib

This stops men from looking at her or stalking her.
We know that evil exists.

Saqib

Islam BLOCKS the paths to evil.
And PROTECTS the family unit.
It is 1 of 5 things that Islam does.

Saqib

Ok, this is a good thing to protect families.
How else can we block evil with islam?
It’s a big question, I know

Chrissie

Islam is the Religion of Abraham.
It came to protect 5 matters. These are:

Saqib

(1) Protects the correct belief (by forbidding worshiping all other than God who created us)
(2) Protects Human Life (by forbidding Murder),
(3) Protects the Mind (by forbidding intoxicants and alcohol),
(4) Protects Family Unity (by forbidding adultery and encouraging commitment and marriage)
(5) Protects Wealth (by forbidding theft)

Saqib

Chrissie

All the things mentioned which are forbidden, there is heavy punishment from God for whoever does them.
This includes Murder (God has forbidden it).

Saqib

that makes sense

Chrissie

And there is death penalty in Islam for a Muslim who does Murder.

Saqib

Chrissie

And punishments for thieves.
And all the other points mentioned.

Saqib

the penalties are often very physical

Chrissie

Also…. there is great Reward from God for whoever does the opposite of the forbidden things.

Saqib

A good human has NO FEAR of any Penalty.
Only bad people should fear.

Saqib

Thats true

Chrissie

And if it is not severe, many people would ignore what God forbade and do the bad crimes and harm good people.

Saqib

ok
Wow, a lot of new information

Chrissie

We don’t believe Islam is a new religion.

Saqib

Chrissie

Prophet Muhammad was NOT the first Prophet.
He was the LAST.
This means there were many true Prophets BEFORE him.

Saqib

Alright

Chrissie

Calling to the SAME religion.
Sent by the SAME God of Mankind.

Saqib

It’s a continuation of the same story

Chrissie

Yes. We agree

Saqib

So god is no new god but always the same

Chrissie

If God is only God of Christians… does that mean there is another God for other people??? Meaning is there more than 1 true God.

Saqib

No! only one

Chrissie

God created everything
The Universe.
Me and you and every human.

Saqib

right

Chrissie

And He did not abandon us.

Saqib

never

Chrissie

Rather, He sent information (Messages in Holy Books) to us

Saqib

yes

Chrissie

And He chose good people to deliver that Message from Him to us, truthfully.

Saqib

messengers

Chrissie

We are told that whenever people changed the message that was sent to them, God sent another to correct the mistakes of the people.

Saqib

But after Mohammad no change

Chrissie

When the people left the religion of Adam, started worshiping idols, God sent Noah with the SAME religion.

Saqib

I see

Chrissie

And when people left the correct way, God sent others (such as Abraham) to call to the SAME way.
This was when people began worshiping Kings and other humans.

Saqib

And later God sent Moses with the SAME message as Abraham and Noah.
And later God sent Prophet David with the SAME message as Moses – after the people had changed the way of Moses.

Saqib

Ok, that makes sense. What if people of today abandon the right path?

Chrissie

And later Prophet Jesus was sent when the Jewish people had changed the path of Moses and changed the Torah.
So Jesus came to call them BACK to the old religion.

Saqib

And when the people changed the Bible, God sent a final Prophet & Messenger to mankind.
And God said He completed the details of the Religion with this Prophet.

Saqib

And that He Himself (God) will Protect the Religion and Holy Book from change.
And that when the people change and leave the truth, it will be the end of time.

Saqib

Chrissie

Which is why there is no need for another Messenger.
Ie Muhammad is the last, as he is near the end of time.
And all the previous messengers mentioned his coming.

Saqib

ok
Wow, I am deeply impressed

Chrissie

And when Jesus returns, we are told that he will follow this religion (in its ORIGINAL form) and tell the people what is right and wrong in the understanding of the people.

Saqib

So muslims wait for the return of Jesus?

Chrissie

Yes. Umrah is like the beginning half of Hajj.
There is Ihram.

Saqib

But it is limited to Muslims. The holy cities are limited anyway, right?

Chrissie

And that Jesus will kill the AntiChrist (which we are told about in the religion) will happen at the end of time.

Saqib

Yes we do. Its mentioned in our scripture

Saqib

Some people say the end is near
So we better prepare for judgement day

Chrissie

God tells us that Jesus never died on the cross.
That whoever says this does not know the reality and this is not what happened.

Saqib

Ok so he didn’t die at all?

Chrissie

That God saved the good man called Jesus,
because the image of Jesus was put onto another man.

Saqib

And so the Roman army accidentally captured the wrong man, and killed him on the cross.
And Jesus was RAISED to the sky.
And that Jesus will return at the end of time and kill the Dajjal (Anti Christ)

Saqib

Chrissie

God tells us in the Quran that those who say that they killed the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, then such people are liars.
This is what God tells us.

Saqib

wow

Chrissie

And Muslims have to believe it.
You can find this is Chapter 5 of the Quran (which is called the Table-Spread that was sent down from the sky to feed Jesus and the 12 Disciples).

Saqib

Christians call this the “Last Supper” or “Last Meal”
This is the name of the Chapter 5 of the Quran.

Saqib

Ok. As I said: I am very impressed. I will read about islam

Chrissie

You are more than welcome.
Islam is open to all.

Saqib

Thank you

Chrissie

It is a connection between a person and between their Creator.
And there is no “confession box” like Christians have.

Saqib

It’s really interesting

Chrissie

We ask God DIRECTLY for forgiveness.
NOT to the leader of the Mosque or any holy man.

Saqib

Thank you for this private lecture.

Chrissie

No problem. We are here to help.

Saqib

The religion is taken from the source.
Not from the actions of people (bad muslims who dont know what the Quran tells them).

Saqib

sure

Chrissie

The Religion tells us to be truthful and honest and kind and respect parents and keep away from Adultery and murder and other evils.

Saqib

This is different to what some people make up from their own selves.
Such people are guilty and God will call them to account on the Day of Judgement.

Saqib

Even if such people say they are Muslim.
They are NOT following the religion of Abraham correctly.

Saqib

OK, I see. The true and pure islam is better

Chrissie

Abraham would NEVER do such a thing.
Nor would any other Prophet.
And nor should anyone who is following their way.

Saqib

After Mohammad there will be no prophet

Chrissie

We believe that Prophet Muhammad is the Last true Prophet from God.
After him there will be liars who claim Prophethood (and Jesus will kill the biggest of these liars – the AntiChrist).

Saqib

This is very good. I will make a hard copy from our chat. And read about islam.

Chrissie

Do you have any other doubts or questions about islam?
Or any reasons that would prevent you from islam?

Saqib

If you want, we can send you an email with information that you need?
Or answers to questions.

Saqib

That would be nice

Chrissie

02:10:14 pm

Saqib transferred the chat to Ibrahim

Oh, hello Ibrahim.
We were just about to close down

Chrissie

hello
my colleague have to go sorry

Ibrahim

No problem, we were about to close down

Chrissie

do u have direct questions for me ? or should i read above ?

Ibrahim

I have one last question
Why is it that prayer is so central and not e.g. good deeds?

Chrissie

it is one of the main good deeds that we need to do
God told us in Quran to keep the prayers

Ibrahim

are you a new Muslim, Chrissie ?

Ibrahim

Chrissie

oh okay
do you know the 6 beliefs of Islam ?

Ibrahim

Chrissie

Wait, I think this is a bit too much for me now
Your colleague had so much new informations

Chrissie

the 6 beliefs are : 1. belief in one God (as uniquely one without partners or sons or daughters) God (in English) = Allah (in Arabic) – 2. belief in His angels – 3. in His revelations (including Quran) – 4. in His prophets (including Moses, Muhammad and Jesus who is son of Mary) – 5. belief in judgement day – 6. and in the divine destiny.

Ibrahim

Oh, I have read that somewhere
Six beliefs and five pillars

Chrissie

yes

Ibrahim

Shahada,5 prayers, fast during Ramadan and Zakat and hajj?

Chrissie

yes right

Ibrahim

Well I’d like to stop here for now, its gettingh too much

Chrissie

no more info u need to know now

Ibrahim

No?

Chrissie

oh okay
i dont like to be pushy

Ibrahim

It is a life changing decision

Chrissie

so when u feel ready u can come here

Ibrahim

I sure will.
Thank you for telling me all of these things

Chrissie

u r welcome

Ibrahim

It was nice talking to you

Chrissie

same here 🙂

Ibrahim

bye

Chrissie

good bye

Ibrahim

02:26:08 pm

Chrissie left the chat

013 Dialog Between Saqib Chrissie And Ibrahim

013 Dialog Between Saqib Chrissie And Ibrahim

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