006 Dialog Between Ibrahim And Patti

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Nice to see you! Anything I can help you with?

Ibrahim

I was born and raised Christian and I love Christianity, but I also love Judaism, and now, after visiting Egypt, my heart is aching to know more about Islam, I mean I want to convert to Islam but I love Jesus as my savior.

Patti

How can I love all three different religions? How can I combine all three? Or can’t I?

Patti

Welcome Patti 🙂

Ibrahim

Shukran

Patti

in Islam, we need to believe in Jesus to be saved

Ibrahim

really? But you need to believe he’s a prophet correct?

Patti

yes we can find in the Bible , that Jesus is a prophet , he was someone sent by God , he was someone who used to pray to God , he was someone who said he does not have knowledge about the hour , only God knows , he is someone who said he can do nothing by his own;

Ibrahim

he is someone who submits himself to the will of God who sent him. he is someone who said that God is greater than him. obviously , no one is greater than God . so it does not make sense to say that Jesus is God while he said there is someone greater than him . also God does not pray to anyone

Ibrahim

As for calling Jesus the son of God, u can find many others in the bible (like David and angels) being called also son of God. as Jesus is not the only son of God , in the bible , this phrase means one who is righteous or close to God.

Ibrahim

I have chills from something you wrote…

Patti

I’ve always questioned that Jesus said that god is greater than him. How god be greater than god?

Patti

Thank you for reminding me of that. Okay, I need to read your second message…

Patti

sure take ur time

Ibrahim

oh, before I read the rest of what you wrote, remember when the apostles asked Jesus, “how do we pray?” And Jesus said, “pray like this, our father, who art in heaven…” Jesus never said, “pray to me”.

Patti

Ever since I was little I was uncomfortable praying to Jesus. Ok, I’m going to read you message…

Patti

okay 🙂

Ibrahim

yes! Another thing in the Bible Jesus said that we are all children of god, and I don’t remember if he said this or not but I feel like god is in everyone of us, he’s inside of me, I do t have to go through someone else to talk to my Father, I can talk to my father myself.

Patti

I think you mean ,it is a natural disposition inside us to believe in God, because God is not inside His creation. God is with us with His knowledge, hearing and sight. i mean, God knows everything we do or say , He sees and hears us wherever and whenever we are.

Ibrahim

God is also with the believers with His support , guidance and help. He helps them when they seek His help sincerely

Ibrahim

Ok, something else. The Bible says that as long as I believe e that Jesus is gods only begotten so and he died on the cross for me then I can go to heaven…

Patti

as for the word father, when referring to God. u know, it means our Creator and sustainer. and the word, that is used in the Bible for the phrase “son of God”, is translated from a greek word , which can be translated also as : servant. so the correct translation of the phrase should : servant of God

Ibrahim

so we believe that God is not like us , God does not have a gender. He is not a man or woman. we can not use the word father about Him. He is our Lord, our Creator, our Sustainer who care for us more than our fathers and mothers. He is merciful to us more than a mother to her young baby.

Ibrahim

also think about this, if I have a cat as a pet, and i love it so much. can I say that the cat is my son or daughter ?

Ibrahim

The answer is No , because the cat is from the cats family (animal) and I am a human. I can not be a father to the cat , but I can be its owner. the same way, we can not say that God is our father , because He did not give birth to us , He did not beget us. He created, sustains and owns us. God is much better than a father to us. if we say father, it is like we bring God down to a lower level. do you understand me ?

Ibrahim

oh, I just read your other message, yes, he’s with us. He is not inside his creation? Ok, I have to process that. So my conscious is my own. He loves me and is with me throughout my life, right?

Patti

yes right , one of the names of God is the Loving One in Quran

Ibrahim

I am so glad I was guided to you, there are so many things I need to know, to understand. Thank you for your guidance…I’m still reading your messages…

Patti

you are welcome , take ur time , Patti

Ibrahim

yes, yes, I understand, god is not our father. I wonder if the Aramaic word for “father” (that Jesus used in the prayer I mentioned earlier) actually means something greater than father. I am learning the 99 names for God, but for now, I love to call him Allah.

Patti

yes i believe the word Jesus used for God means something more than just a father

Ibrahim

I have something else to tell you…I just would like your opinion…

Patti

because God is not a man to be a father or a woman to be a mother
sure go ahead

Ibrahim

While I was in Egypt, I went to a store with my friend (she’s Egyptian and a Muslim). There was a table full of Qurans. I was drawn to it but afraid at the same time so I just looked at it. My friend (Mona) said, “that’s the Quran”

Patti

then ?

Ibrahim

I said, “can I touch it?” It didn’t seem right to touch it, but she said I could…
so I did and I felt like I just disrespected the Muslim religion.

Patti

Then her brother picked that one up for me, bought it, kissed it, pressed it to his forehead, then he gave it to me….

Patti

🙂

Ibrahim

I held it and he motioned for me to do what he did. So I kissed it, pressed it to my forehead, but then I pressed to my heart and it felt alive.

Patti

It felt like a friend that I just rediscovered. Mona’s sister smiled and asked me in broken English, “what did you just feel?” I didn’t know how to respond because I didn’t know how to explain it to her…

Patti

does any of this make sense? Or have I gone crazy?

Patti

yes it does 🙂 thank you for sharing that
was it English translation of Quran meanings so you could read ?

Ibrahim

Arabic. I do have an app on my phone in English with the Arabic reading though (I’ve never heard anything as beautiful as the Quran being read)
it does make sense?

Patti

How could I have explained that feeling to my friends sister?
is there a word or a phrase? Does this happen often to people?

Patti

I am not sure how u could explain , but i think i could say I felt peace holding it

Ibrahim

thats it. Peace. The purest form of peace. Like the peace you feel when you return home only bigger.

Patti

🙂

Ibrahim

So, my next question, if I may ask another, how should I read the Quran? Front to back? Jump around from chapter to chapter? Should I read about the prophet Mohamed first then the Quran?

Patti

You can read the translation u have from chapter 1 , then 2 and so on . and you can come here when u need any clarification for any verse . we will be happy to help
u can read about prophet Muhammad same time , no problem 🙂

Ibrahim

ok, thank you! And when I read the Quran and it says “We…” does that mean the angel Gabriel and God? Because there is no trinity, right? There’s only 1 god. The God. Allah. Right?

Patti

I know that We is known as the Majestic or royal pronoun that can be used to refer to one person glorifying himself , like a king saying “we are amused” while he is referring just to himself

Ibrahim

Ahhhh, yes. Okay, I can see that. Okay, to get this straight then, I need to let go of the Christian belief that Jesus was born from the Virgin Mary. Right?

Patti

Jesus was born from the virgin Mary , it is true

Ibrahim

huh???

Patti

I will tell u about it

Ibrahim

yes, please!

Patti

With pleasure
we believe that God supported His prophets with different miracles to suit the people they were sent to . for example, the people at the time of prophet Moses excelled in magic, that is why God supported prophet Moses with miracles such as the stick turning into a big snake and splitting the sea

Ibrahim

people at the time of prophet Muhammad excelled in linguistic eloquence, that is why God supported prophet Muhammad with Quran which is the most eloquent book

Ibrahim

as for prophet Jesus, people at his time excelled in medicine , that is why God supported prophet Jesus with such miracles like being born of a virgin , healing people with certain illnesses by God’s power .

Ibrahim

God created Jesus in that way to show us that He can create us by any way , as He created Adam without man or woman before. He also created Eve without man before

Ibrahim

sorry for taking time to write the answer . hope it makes sense to u

Ibrahim

In brief, we believe that God supported prophet Jesus with such great miracles (like being born of a virgin) because his people (children of Israel) were hard to believe. these miracles do not make Jesus God , but he was just one of the greatest prophets of God.

Ibrahim

I want to send you heart emojis because I have no words for how happy I am to read that…

Patti

I’m afraid to ask about Jesus’ crucifixion…do I have to let go of that belief? How does Islam explain Jesus’ death?

Patti

I am happy I am here to help you learn and understand our beliefs in Islam 🙂
I will tell you about the crucifixion

Ibrahim

thank you, I’ll wait patiently

Patti

u r welcome

Ibrahim

in brief , I can say : Jesus didn’t die. someone looked like him was on the cross. so whatever said about his resurrection is fabricated , because he didn’t die.
We believe that no one killed Jesus . Jesus did NOT say clearly that : he was sent to be killed for our sins

Ibrahim

You know that Jesus prayed to God to save him from the disbelievers who wanted to kill him ? – if he was sent to be killed for our sins, his disciples would not try to protect him ? (but they did)
if he was sent to be killed , he would tell them : let me die so your sins be forgiven, right ? , but the fact is that Jesus hid and prayed to God to save him . And God responded to prophet Jesus and raised him to the sky.

Ibrahim

you may know these verses in bible : – “No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ.” (Psalm 91:10….this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion).
– “GOD Almighty will send down the Angels to protect him and lift him.” (Psalm 91:11-12, 14, Isaiah 52:13). Not even his foot will strike the ground from his enemies pushing, grappling and punishment.

Ibrahim

That is why we base our salvation only in God’s mercy and grace, we do not believe that anyone died for our sins
we are taught to think the best of God, as He is good to us as good as we think of Him. you see, my friend, we seek God’s mercy through submitting to Him (obeying His orders and staying away from what He forbade)

Ibrahim

through accepting all His original and authentic revelations (including Quran) and accepting all His prophets (including Moses, Jesus “son of Mary” and Muhammad)
we are taught that ” the one who loves to meet God, God loves to meet him/her” so I do my best to think that God will forgive me and have mercy on me to admit me in paradise 🙂

Ibrahim

Soooo…Jesus is the Christ? Because he didn’t come to harm and he wasn’t killed, the angels took him straight to heaven from the garden of gethsemane. I may be confused…I’ll read again your messages.

Patti

give me time please , I have other visitors

Ibrahim

Of course! I’ve taken a lot of your time and I’m so grateful for your patience. In fact I need to go to sleep but if you are able to respond tonight I will see it right away in the morning!

Patti

Thank you so much! I pray your next correspondences go as well as this one, you truly are a servant of God.

Patti

yes Jesus is the christ (Messiah means chosen one to be God’s prophet and to be supported with great miracles such as wiping people with illnesses to be healed by God’s power)

Ibrahim

Allah (God) says clearly in Quran : وما قتلوه وما صلبوه: Prophet Jesus was neither killed nor crucified , peace be upon him. Someone else was crucified. Now who is this person who was crucified in place of prophet Jesus ?

Ibrahim

I think it doesn’t matter. What matters is that Allah fulfilled His promise to His prophet Jesus to save him and raise him to the sky

Ibrahim

However , i know an authentic narration for one of the companions of prophet Muhammad. This narration tells us what happened exactly and how prophet Jesus was saved from the crucifixion …

Ibrahim

oh wait, you responded…ok I’m reading it now.

Patti

take your time , I will just continue

Ibrahim

At the time of prophet Jesus , some people disbelieved and even planned to crucify him. When they went to his hiding place, prophet Jesus was sitting with his disciples. He asked them “who would like to be in my place and i promise he will be with me in paradise?” One of his disciples did volunteer to take this test in stead of prophet Jesus, and he insisted when prophet Jesus repeated the question 3 times. So when the disbelievers arrived, prophet Jesus was already raised and this disciple was made to resemble him. The disbelievers took him , thinking he was Jesus , to crucify him.

Ibrahim

even in the Bible , there are verses that confirm that Jesus was promised by God to be protected from any harm ( i quoted for you above)
Jesus was raised by angels to the heavens (sky not paradise). Jesus now is in the sky and he will come back as a sign that judgment day is near

Ibrahim

So Jesus is the Messiah. Could Enoch have been a Messiah too? And Moses? They were given the ability to perform miracles too, right?

Patti

I’m so sorry for all of my questions. I feel that I want to follow Islam, I just need to be sure my heart and mind are in the right place.

Patti

don’t be sorry , i am really glad i am help u
you see, every prophet was special miracles that suited his people , Jesus was given the title Messiah because it refers to wiping over people with certain illness to recover

Ibrahim

prophet Muhammad also do similar miracles
but God gave that title to Jesus
Moses , Jesus , Muhammad all are great prophets
we believe and love them all 🙂

Ibrahim

I know that I need to read the Quran, will you give me the names of some other books to read ? I know there is a book by the prophet Mohammad, what is that called?

Patti

I absolutely love your last message!
I believe what Islam teaches.

Patti

you don’t have to overwhelm urself by reading many books, we can help u learn about Islam step by step
firstly u need to understand the 6 beliefs
let me share with u

Ibrahim

ok!

Patti

The 6 beliefs are : 1. belief in one God (as uniquely one without partners or images or sons or daughters)
– 2. belief in His angels
– 3. in His revelations (including Quran)
– 4. in His prophets (including Moses, Muhammad and Jesus who is son of Mary)
– 5. belief in judgement day
– 6. and in the divine destiny.

Ibrahim

you see, Becoming a Muslim is very simple as it is already in your heart from the time you were born. It is to declare that there is no God worthy of worship except one God alone without partners (in English, God = Allah, in Arabic), and that you believe in all of the messengers that He sent to mankind from Adam to Noah, Moses and Jesus, till the final messenger Muhammad. (They all came with the same message of worshiping God alone)

Ibrahim

and believe that God, Almighty, sent down Books to guide people (like manuals to help people live a spiritually uplifted life), that God also created the Angels, and also believe in the Day of Judgment (which is the last day where people will be held accountable for their deeds)

Ibrahim

and finally to believe in God’s Decree (which basically means that God knows all that took place in the past, what will happen in the future, and that He is the one who decrees everything in life).
if they are clear , let me know and I will tell you about the 5 main deeds (pillars) of Islam

Ibrahim

Yes, I understand and agree with the 6 beliefs, what are the pillars?

Patti

excellent ! now the pillars are :
1. to declare that you believe in Allah as the one and only true God and that you believe in Muhammad as a messenger and a servant of Allah and to worship Allah as He taught prophet Muhammad . This deed is called Shahada in Arabic= declaration of belief.

Ibrahim

2. to do 5 daily prayers as a constant reminder of Allah. We do certain positions to show humility to Allah. and in these positions we recite Quran, glorify Allah, thank Him and ask His guidance, forgiveness and mercy. every prayer takes about 5-10 minutes to do.
if clear let me know to move to the next pillars 🙂

Ibrahim

Both are clear…the prayer part is my favorite, I feel like Muslims are practically in a constant state of communion with God.

Patti

exactly the prayers are to stay connected with God 🙂

Ibrahim

3. to fast the daytime of the month of Ramadan (we abstain from food, water and intimate relations) from dawn till sunset in one month (Ramadan). it is like a training to watch Allah and to be more patient. also We can sympathize with the poor.

Ibrahim

4. to give charity to the poor , if you are rich (having 85 grams of gold or money equal to that). rich Muslims need to give 2.5% of their wealth once a year.

Ibrahim

5. go for pilgrimage to Makkah (in Saudi) if one is able financially and physically.
do you accept these pillars , Patti ?

Ibrahim

I do accept the pillars…except, I’m a tall white woman and would stick out like a sore thumb in Mecca…unless I wear a burka.

Patti

Okay, that issue is solved. And which way is Mecca so I can pray towards it?

Patti

And how do I learn the prayers and positions? I could you tube it I suppose. But yes, I accept the 5 pillars.

Patti

dont worry lol you can find other tall women there 🙂 nd u dont have to wear Burka , it is just recommended not obligatory , according to most scholars, hijab is enough there

Ibrahim

as for the direction , u can check this site :
Qibla-Direction

Ibrahim

there’s nothing about a name change?

Patti

u can keep ur name as long as it does not have a bad meaning against Islam

Ibrahim

as for learning the prayers, our academy will help u with that , step by step
i can connect u with a sister on whatsapp also if u like to get a direct help from a new Muslim woman

Ibrahim

I think it means of noble birth but I have no idea what that means…I was named for my birthday (st. Patrick’s day)…only the greatest Irish catholic drunk fest of all time.

Patti

But my dad named me that and he is the kindest man I know, with a strange sense of humor.

Patti

What is your opinion on name change?

Patti

I think you can keep it , it is a nice name 🙂

Ibrahim

yaaay!!! I’m glad that is your opinion, that makes me happy.

Patti

Ok, I would like information on the academy, and yes, the WhatsApp connection would be very helpful…I’m so sorry I need to sleep, I have to be up early tomorrow but I want to know everything you have to tell me, can you share the info with me and I can read up on it tomorrow morning?

Patti

I’ll be meeting with my friend Mona for breakfast so I want to share this entire conversation with her because I’m so just so pleased (understatement-trying to contain my excitement).

Patti

i wont take much of ur time , but i see u shouldn’t delay taking the first step into Islam , it wont take more than 5 minutes, then i will register u at the academy and they will contact u by email , u can also give me ur number so i can share it with the new Muslim sister to contact u on whatsapp

Ibrahim

Ok, 25*-******

Patti

would you give me the honor to help u with the first step into Islam ?

Ibrahim

Yes, absolutely!

Patti

you can declare your belief as a Muslim, by saying the following sincerely : “I testify that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah, and I testify that Muhammad is the servant and messenger of Allah, and that Jesus is the servant and messenger of Allah .”

Ibrahim

and you should say the same words in Arabic, as well : “La illaha illa Allah, Muhammad ra-soul Allah, wa Esa abduhu wa rasoluh.”

Ibrahim

kindly say it now , and after you say, write back the same to me in English and Arabic ! I would like to see 🙂

Ibrahim

I testify that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah, and I testify that Mohammad is the servant and messenger of Allah, and that Jesus is the servant and messenger of Allah”

Patti

“La illaha illa Allah, Muhammad ra-soul Allah, wa Esa abduhu wa rasoluh.

Patti

Excellent ! I congratulate you from the bottom of my heart, YOU ARE NOW A MUSLIM! 🙂

Ibrahim

you know , my honorable sister, when someone says these words to become a Muslim , Allah forgives all his previous sins, so he becomes like a baby , free from sins, as he has repented from all his previous sins and corrupt beliefs. so you are pure now 🙂

Ibrahim

Now to help you with your Journey ahead as a New Muslim, we have a Free – Online- Academy for New Muslims : newmuslimacademy.org
Great scholars there will teach you , step by step, all that you need to know. I just need your email to register you there ! can i use this email : *****@outlook.com ?

Ibrahim

yes, that is the email to use.
I am a Muslim.

Patti

I am so happy you are a Muslim now, I just want to remind you that it is recommended to have a complete shower with the intention to start a new life as a Muslim then say Shahada (declaration of belief) again (you can take the shower when u wake up)

Ibrahim

the next step is to start to learn and practise the prayers in our new Muslim Academy. I will register you now and they will contact you by email, soon. so please check your email including spam in the next 24 hours. okay ?

Ibrahim

yes, I will shower in the morning, I’ll repeat the Shahada, and I will check my email also.

Patti

you are welcome and please feel free to contact me here any time later if you need any help or have questions
may Allah increase you in belief and knowledge and keep you firm on the truth, ameen

Ibrahim

You can go to sleep now , Thank you for giving us this opportunity to assist you. Have a good night 🙂

Ibrahim

Thank you more than I can ever express. Shukran very very very much.

Patti

by the way , i am from Egypt 🙂 send my greetings to your friend Mona

Ibrahim

you r welcome again , my sister Patti
it was really nice talking to u , I am really honored that i could help you 🙂

Ibrahim

really?! I will let her know!!! She’s from Ismaïlia where the mangos taste like heaven.

Patti

hahaha , tell her i am from a village beside Menof
next time you visit Egypt , I hope you can visit us here too
we have sweet fruits in our garden u like so much🙂

Ibrahim

last thing , just to confirm ur whatsapp number with code is : +1****** ?

Ibrahim

I will tell her! Lol. God is so amazing.

Patti

Yes! I would love to visit! I think Egypt is just one big garden of God, up until I visited Egypt I thought dates and figs were dried up blobs of…something…but then Mona had me try fresh figs and dates and I’m now certain that heaven is made of these fruits.

Patti

oh yes

Ibrahim

wait, +1-*****

Patti

great , i really like to talk for hours with you , i am enjoying it , but i will let u go sleep now , hope to see u again
and meet in Egypt when u visit us again 🙂

Ibrahim

thank you so much! For everything and peace to you.

Patti

Welcome Patti 🙂
good night sister !

Ibrahim

good night…brother?

Patti

Can I call you brother?

Patti

yes it is pleasure u do

Ibrahim

good night brother.

Patti

006 Dialog Between Ibrahim And Patti

006 Dialog Between Ibrahim And Patti

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