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005 Dialog Between Abrahim And Tamasha Wily

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Hello, thank you for visiting IslamiCity. How may I help you?
Abrahim

I am dating a Muslim man. and I want to learn more about the deen on my own
Tamasha Wiley

what is your religion at the moment?
Abrahim

Non denominational, but I was raise Baptiste
Tamasha Wiley

Thank you
let me explain the basics of Islam
Abrahim

Islam is the same truth that God revealed to all of His prophets from Adam to Noah, Moses and Jesus, the son of Mary, and the rest of the beautiful chain of prophets who called people to worship God alone with no partners. May God send His peace and blessings upon all of them. Does this make sense to you?
Abrahim

Yes
Tamasha Wiley

Muslims believe in the same God as the Christians and the Jews, but we consider Him Alone without any sons or partners and we do not give any of His attributes to creation.
Abrahim

We also believe in Jesus but we believe in him not as a son of God or one of the trinity but as a great Prophet and Messenger born a miraculous birth without a father to virgin Mary. He never claimed to be the son of God or said that He should be worshipped.
Abrahim

Muslims believe that all the revealed books are from God and we are supposed to believe in all of them. We believe in the original Gospel of Jesus, the Torah of Moses and Psalms of David (peace be upon them), but not in the changes and corruptions that came into these books of revelations of God by some later scribes and editors.
Abrahim

I agree with myself
Tamasha Wiley

🙂 When it comes to acts of worship,
1) Muslims worship God alone without any partners.
2) Pray 5 times a day. This prayer makes us come closer to God on daily basis.
3) We fast one month per year (Ramadan).
Abrahim

4) Pay Charity to the poor (Zakah).
5) and make pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj) once in a life time if we have the financial and physical ability.
Makes sense? 🙂
Abrahim

Yes
Tamasha Wiley

Becoming a Muslim is very simple as it is already in your heart from the time you were born. It is to declare that there is no God worthy of worship except one God alone without partners, and that you believe in all of the messengers that He sent to mankind from Adam to Noah, Moses and Jesus, till the final messenger Muhammad.
Abrahim

They all came with the same message of worshipping God alone, and believe that God, Almighty, sent down Books to guide people (like manuals to help people live a spiritually uplifted life), that God also created the Angels, and also believe in the Day of Judgment (which is the last day where people will be held accountable for their deeds), and finally to believe in God’s Decree (which basically means that God knows all that took place in the past, what will happen in the future, and that He is the one who decrees everything in life)
Makes sense? 🙂
Abrahim

Kinda
Give me a second I will be right back
Tamasha Wiley

Take your time
Abrahim

Thank you. I am back. Sorry But I am at work…
Tamasha Wiley

take your time
we understand these situations 🙂 so no worries
just make sure to type something every 10 minutes or the system gets you disconnected
Abrahim

Thank you for your patience
Tamasha Wiley

🙂
Abrahim

What should i know about dating a Muslim man?
Tamasha Wiley

we date when there is interest to get married
we never do it alone in order to stay away from fornication
Abrahim

That part i know…
We are discussing marriage.
Tamasha Wiley

great
Abrahim

Marriage is on the top of our ” to do list” but for me marriage is a forever thing. And he is planning for a marriage before the end of this year.
Tamasha Wiley

for a Muslim with sound faith marriage and love is for the sake of Allah, also looking not for this life but also into eternity
Abrahim

I understand that too.
At time I feel like we are rushing, and I don’t know how to convey that to him without sounding mean
I respect his deen, and part of what I love about him is connection to his religion.
Tamasha Wiley

I just feel like there is so much I have to learn, and i don’t want to feel like we are rushing.
Tamasha Wiley

in Islam love is built within the marriage
not outside of it, as it doesn’t have sense
Abrahim

Please elaborate on that
Tamasha Wiley

Would I be able to go to a local mosque to speak with someone about my concerns? or is that not allowed?
Tamasha Wiley

experience shows the ultimate goal of actions
in a relationship between a man and a woman the ultimate goal in physical terms is reproduction
love and passion and pleasure is just a small reward in it, provided by the creator in order to fulfill our duties
Abrahim

But that only comes within marriage.
Tamasha Wiley

outside of marriage is a dirty action based on egoism and selfishness
Abrahim

it will bring lots of pain because it is not done for the sake of the Creator
Abrahim

What happens to our marriage if I do not take my shahada?
Tamasha Wiley

are you a Christian?
Abrahim

yes
Tamasha Wiley

nothing
a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman
Abrahim

I believe in one god, one creator
Tamasha Wiley

excellent that is the key to salvation
maybe later you find out more about Islam
Abrahim

actually Islam is what Jesus announced to come
he foretold a messenger to come for the end of times
Abrahim

right because he was almost 2000 years too soon
Am i required to be covered?
Tamasha Wiley

interesting way to think 🙂
Abrahim

In Islam 1st requirement is belief
then one can work out different rulings that come down
they key is understanding why we need to do this to eat that to say this etc.
Abrahim

Work out? I don’t understand.
Tamasha Wiley

Things of Islam have always been presented to me as what Must be done- with very little explanation
Tamasha Wiley

well the Quran says otherwise
Abrahim

actually it brings the question
who is better someone who understand or someone who doesnt?
Abrahim

what do you think?
Abrahim

Someone who understands
Tamasha Wiley

exactly
because there are many virtues in understanding
Abrahim

Islam is not about blind following
it has always promoted reasoning
Abrahim

I have a crazy question
Tamasha Wiley

Is there a kind of road map, or something that give me a straight forward do and not list
Tamasha Wiley

to avoid masturbation?
Abrahim

No…
Tamasha Wiley

oh sorry I confused the chat
Abrahim

so the road or map is to fulfill your purpose of creation
Abrahim

Still not quite getting it
Tamasha Wiley

one key in Islam is to know the names of Allah
to be able to read them across the universe
Abrahim

ok
Tamasha Wiley

for example
Abrahim

There are like 99 names
Tamasha Wiley

you see that a small insect is walking by your window
and you have no idea what the insect eats
yet it is provided from unexpected places by the Wise and Most Merciful Provider
Abrahim

I get that… all things are provided by Allah
Tamasha Wiley

🙂 what part of the 6 pillars of faith doesnt make full sense?
Abrahim

Are you talking about the 6 articles of faith? or those different?
Tamasha Wiley

yes the same
you said they kind of make sense to you
Abrahim

I believe in the existence of God, I believe in the existence of Angels, I believe in the holy book( but not as a traditional Christian believes); I believe in the prophets; I believe in a day of judgement
Tamasha Wiley

do you believe in prophet Muhammad as the last messenger?
Abrahim

I believe that Muhammad was one the Prophets
Tamasha Wiley

yes the Quran says the last one sent to mankind
so basically you are a Muslim in your heart
Abrahim

so after belief we proceed with the shahada
the testimony of faith
then we proceed to learn the prayer and to learn about Allah our creator
Abrahim

the more we know him the more we can love Him
are you there sister?
Abrahim

Yes
Tamasha Wiley

what do you think is holding from Islam?
maybe the veil?
Abrahim

not sure if it the veil
But the free will to chose
Tamasha Wiley

explain me more please
Abrahim

That’s why I asked about a kinda of dos and don’t
Tamasha Wiley

sure
for example do what is good wise and fair
don’t do the opposite
Abrahim

do you think killing someone is fair, just, or merciful?
Abrahim

No. but that could be viewed as circumstantial
Tamasha Wiley

how ?
Abrahim

In situations of war- is it right or wrong to kill
Tamasha Wiley

today no war is waged to a fair cause so it would be wrong
also eating pork.
Abrahim

say your plane crashes and you survive
and you fal in a place where the only thing you can find is savage pigs in order to survive
Abrahim

you can eat pork
so you are protecting life
not a circumstance per se
Abrahim

so if i have to survive i still cant eat the pork?
So what was the purpose of God dropping me in this pig farm? If i cant eat the pig- TO SURVIVE
Tamasha Wiley

you can
in that case until you find licit food
Abrahim

But then am i not condemned to hell for going against the so called will of God.
Tamasha Wiley

no because you will be following the commandment of God
as he gives this permission
Abrahim

so you are doing a good deed eating pork in that situation
isn’t that logical?
Abrahim

Because it is based on survival only?
Tamasha Wiley

because you are protecting life which is the greatest miracle in the universe
Abrahim

Yeah but that is selfish… I am only thinking of self.
Tamasha Wiley

you are honoring the name of The Giver of Life, the Protector. You are doing it for the sake of Allah
if your intention is selfishness then you ruin the good deed
Abrahim

same as a believer who went to the day of Judgement and said
oh Allah I did so and so for you
then Allah tells him, you are lying, you did it so people said how brave you were what a hero you are, and people said so, so you got your reward in earth
and then he is sent to hell for his selfishness
Abrahim

so the key is sincerity in your intention
does this make sense?
Abrahim

That does make sense
Tamasha Wiley

great
hello?
Abrahim

But if we go back to our original conversation of my relationship with a Muslim man,
I feel that there are aspects of me that will have to change.
Tamasha Wiley

Is that actually the case?
That is where my real fear lies.
Tamasha Wiley

the Quran has a general commandment
there is no compulsion in religion
also our prophet taught us as men we have limits in regard to our wives
Abrahim

Limits?
Tamasha Wiley

they have a nature different to ours, if we try to make them as we wish we might break them
so we have to be patient in there ways
their*
Abrahim

in conclusion we can not force our wife to anything
Abrahim

So basically there is nothing to really fear
More questions?- if you have time?
Tamasha Wiley

sure go on
Abrahim

would i be allowed to attend prayer with him?
Tamasha Wiley

christian prayer?
Abrahim

no Islamic prayer
Tamasha Wiley

yes you can attend
Abrahim

Salat
I can?
Tamasha Wiley

yes
Abrahim

So what cant i do?
Tamasha Wiley

as a Christian woman you follow a Christian law
and I am not an expert in it
Abrahim

That seems like would be a conflict
ok I understand, sorry
Tamasha Wiley

well we Muslim respect the religious law of others no reason for conflict
Abrahim

Got it
Tamasha Wiley

in relatinoships there is no perfect match
that doesnt exist everybody differ at some point
try to match a vegetarian with a non vegetarian
Abrahim

That is very true.
Tamasha Wiley

if they agree to live together they should define some parameters
this is true even among a Muslim couple
Abrahim

I have asked that we live together for at least 30 days before marriage- with the understanding that we are getting married.
Tamasha Wiley

a Muslim can not take that
if the relationship doesn’t work we can get divorce in case there is no way to solve it
Abrahim

So we can not live together before marriage at all ?
Tamasha Wiley

as a Muslim I am not allowed to do so
Abrahim

Why? if the intention is get married?
Tamasha Wiley

many rules in Islam are preventive
Abrahim

elaborate – please
Tamasha Wiley

in this particular case living together means the risk of fornication
a major sin
Abrahim

I understand
Tamasha Wiley

I am sure it is also a major sin in Christianity
Abrahim

Yes it is – but neither of us are virgins either
Tamasha Wiley

Virginity is another thing
I am talking about the sin
doing a sin before doesnt make the way clear to sin again to me
Abrahim

True-
I am not trying to temp him, I just wanted to know if we are compatible in the sense of living together.
Tamasha Wiley

But now I understand why he has not answered me on the subject either
Tamasha Wiley

I understand your point, for us we have a major part of faith that is trust in Allah, so we leave our matters and tough decisions on His power. For example for marriage we do the consultation prayer
Abrahim

What is that?
He has spoken about it but i am unclear on what is it exactly
Tamasha Wiley

in it we ask on a matter whether it is good for our life and our hereafter and we ask Allah to make it easy to happen in case it is good or to make it away from us if it is not beneficial
after all Allah is taking care of all of our needs, we need of a sun he provides us with it…
Abrahim

got it
Tamasha Wiley

🙂
Abrahim

he has said that he does that. he prays and ask for guidance for us and he has said that despite me being Christian, he is always led back to me
Tamasha Wiley

so now it is your turn to examine your trust in your Creator
it is not the same saying “I wil see what I get” than “I will see what my Lord send me”
Abrahim

I have doubts sometimes- but I know the creator does not give us spirit of fear or doubt. so I know that is my own insecurities.
Tamasha Wiley

the only way we can overcome them is facing them
if God says trust me, we must be confident of it
Jesus taught his disciples about trust
one time he asked them to bring sand and gold
they did so and he asked them what do you see
after they explained he told them, to me they are the same, creation of Allah
that’s how I see water and earth too, that’s how I can walk on waters
Abrahim

because they are creations of God
Tamasha Wiley

right
of course prophets and their companions are in a higher level
Abrahim

but yet we find our lives moments to trust in accordance to our own level
Abrahim

Thank you
Tamasha Wiley

alrught sister my time is over
and you really
Abrahim

Thank you- Thank you. This was one of the most helpful conversations i have had so far
Tamasha Wiley

I really appreciate your comment
if you wish I can transfer your chat to another agent
or we can resume tomorrow perhaps
Abrahim

No if possible I can be online tomorrow to speak to you.
Tamasha Wiley

sure I will be online 3 hours earlier than the time now
Abrahim

Thank you
Tamasha Wiley

welcome then sister
have a nice day
Abrahim

Same to you
Tamasha Wiley

thanks
Abrahim

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