004 Dialog Between Hammad And Frances

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Hello. How may I help you today?

Hammad

Hi, I live in Birmingham so there’s a fair few Muslims near where I live, I don’t want to ask them because I don’t want them to feel like I’m placing them in an uncomfortable position but my question is how can God exist?

Frances

I’ve never seen anything that could prove God

Frances

Very good question. Thanks a lot for asking and welcome to the chat.

Hammad

Thanks Hammad

Frances

Now first when we say God we mean the Creator of this Universe we agree?

Hammad

Yes that’s right

Frances

Now, are our eyes capable of seeing the Creator in this world, what do you think?

Hammad

I don’t know, I wouldn’t know what to look for

Frances

Well the sun is super bright and its a creation right? If you stare for it too long it will blind you correct?

Hammad

Supposedly so, I know it hurts my eyes if I look into it too long but I always look away haha

Frances

And now imagine the Creator of this Universe, Greater then everything in this Universe. So clearly we are limited, but anyways lets think deeper though.
In this life, we accept things not solely based on the senses correct?

Hammad

Yes

Frances

So now one possibility for this Universe to exist is a Creator, what other possibilities could there be for this Universe to exist?

Hammad

I’d have to say the Big Bang like we got taught at school

Frances

Good, Big Bang means this Universe has a starting point, but it doesn’t explain why it was caused at a particular moment in time, what else you think?

Hammad

That’s all I know

Frances

How about the Universe created itself? Came from nothing? Being always there?

Hammad

I thought it was just space and then there was a reaction that caused the Big Bang

Frances

Reaction cannot occur by chance you agree right? As per Big Bang space and time was also created.

Hammad

I suppose

Frances

So from nothing – nothing comes
For something to create itself, it cannot exist in the first place. We agree right?

Hammad

Lets go deeper
You came from your mom and your mom came from her mom
If the cycle goes backwards where is the start?

Hammad

Imagine dominos lined up in a straight line, if no force knocks the first domino how can the rest follow?
The Quran makes a strong argument for our existence

Hammad

Well it’s mean to be Adam and Eve when talking religiously isn’t it

Frances

Did they create themselves or came from nothing? We know both isn’t possible

Hammad

Exactly, without religion what force would be there for their existance of the first life?
Life brings up another point, if you place all the living organs in a dead person it would not make the dead “alive” again.

Hammad

So where did “life” come from?

Hammad

We also know this Universe is fine tuned for life to exist
A bit closer or further from the sun we would die,…oxygen level a bit higher or lower we would die..
We also know this Universe is complex. No invention can ever compare to the human eye. The DNA, would take thousands of pages to transcribe

Hammad

The coming of the Messengers is yet another proof, coming at different times with the same repeated message

Hammad

Actually this belief in the Creator is also ingrained inside us, imagine at the brink of death who do we naturally turn to?

Hammad

God

Frances

Exactly
Does this show you that God exists?

Hammad

It does
Can’t believe I’ve followed the shit school taught me

Frances

What did they teach you?

Hammad

About how the universe was created like with the Big Bang happening spontaneously

Frances

They also taught us religious education which was primarily focused on Christianity
Which I’ve never had an interest in

Frances

Very interesting.
So now you accept the Creator created us with a purpose right?

Hammad

Yeah I accept our creator

Frances

What purpose you feel He created us for?

Hammad

I don’t know
To have a family?
I’ve never known my purpose to be truthful

Frances

Well think about it this way

Hammad

Kind of felt lost at times

Frances

We agree the Creator is All-Wise and Perfect right?

Hammad

Yes

Frances

And we also agree that compared to animals that we have a “free will”?

Hammad

We do yeah

Frances

Good, so clearly this purpose must come from Him right? So think about it in a bigger picture, how is having a family or being good will be tied back to the Creator?

Hammad

I don’t know, does he tell us in the Quran?

Frances

Yep, Quran tells us that we are created to worship Him alone and worship for a Muslim is the following:
Its a comprehensive term that includes any deed that pleases God. All good deeds are types of worship, smiling, being sincere at work, saying a nice word, and even treating one’s spouse gently, all this is greatly rewarded by God.

Hammad

And in the opposite any deed that doesn’t please God is a sin; talking bad about people is a sin, cheating, lying, hurting innocent people, harming the environment. Even for your good intentions you are rewarded!!!!🙂

Hammad

If I’m nice to everyone and stuff I’m worshipping God?

Frances

Of course if your intention is tied to God’s pleasure.

Hammad

Well from now on I’ll always be nice to people in order to pleasure our God

Frances

Exactly, and the Creator also has prescribed certain rituals also and the Messengers have come to show us how to do so.

Hammad

Islam is essentially the same message all the Prophets and Messengers called to. Prophets such as Noah, Abraham, Lot, Moses, Jacob, Jesus, etc. with the last and final prophet being Muhammad (peace be upon them all).

Hammad

All prophets came with the same message, which is that God is One, He is the Creator of all that exists and we should worship Him, seek forgiveness directly from Him and only He has power over all things.

Hammad

The Messengers duties was simply to show the people “how” to worship the Creator and they were sent to specific people.
Make sense?

Hammad

Yeah you make sense

Frances

Should I share the beliefs of a Muslim?

Hammad

Yeah you can do if you want

Frances

1- Muslims believe in one, unique, incomparable God, Who has neither son nor partner, and that none has the right to be worshipped, invoked, supplicated to, or shown any act of worship but Him alone.

Hammad

God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, the Sovereign, and the Sustainer of everything in the whole universe. He manages all affairs. He stands in need of none of His creatures, and all His creatures depend on Him for all that they need.
Muslims refer to the Creator as “Allah”. Allah means Only Diety worthy of worship.

Hammad

2- Believing in Angels, which were created by Allah from light, they worship God alone and they don’t disobey him at all. Like Jibril (Gabriel), Mika’eel (Michael). The purpose of their existence is to worship Allah and obey Him.

Hammad

3- We believe That God chose certain people among us all to be prophets and messengers sent by him to us to guide us and show us the right path of God and the reason behind our existence on earth, we believe in all prophets and messengers, love and respect them like Jesus, Moses, Adam, Noah, Jacob and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all), this is an essential part of Muslim’s faith.

Hammad

General Qualities of the Messengers:
1- Called to the worship of God alone
2- Sent to specific people
3- Came to revive the message
4- Came with signs and miracles to prove to the people they were truly sent by God.

Hammad

In regards to Jesus — We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah the almighty GOD. We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention. We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (peace be upon him).

Hammad

We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission. We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission. We do believe that he was not God, nor the son of God nor was he crucified. I hope that’s clear?

Hammad

If we were created by Allah to worship and obey him, what’s the difference between us and Angels?

Frances

Angels don’t have a free will
they always do good
They do whatever Allah commands them to do

Hammad

They carry out Allah’s orders
And they are also there to serve us

Hammad

Okay that makes sense now
Thanks

Frances

Welcome

Hammad

4- God sent divine books and miracles with prophets and messengers to show their honesty and real prophecy. The divine book of Islam is the Noble Quran, the last divine book which was revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon him). It has all perfect laws, legislation and rules we need to follow the orders of God as we should and obey him correctly.

Hammad

The Quran has been preserved in its original language since its revelation and is memorized completely by thousands of people of all nationalities. It has no mistakes nor errors, simply, a perfect book.

Hammad

We believe in all divine books that we know and we don’t know. Like the bible (Gospels of Jesus Christ in their original form) Torah- psalms and The Quran. They were sent to guide people to the right path of God, and the Quran was the last one which came with legislations and perfect laws.

Hammad

Thereafter, comes believing in the Day of Judgment and that we all will be resurrected by God to be judged for our deeds. And Believing in destiny, pre-destination – that it is from God. Good or bad we accept and submit to the will of God. Are all the beliefs clear?

Hammad

They are yes

Frances

When it comes to acts of worship,
1) Muslims worship God alone without any partners.
2) Pray 5 times a day. This prayer makes us come closer to God on daily basis.
3) We fast one month per year (Ramadan).
4) Pay Charity to the poor (Zakah).
5) and make pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj) once in a life time if we have the financial and physical ability.
Makes sense? 🙂

Hammad

Yeah

Frances

Please read then type this: “I believe that there is no God worthy of worship except Allah alone, and I believe that Muhammad is his final prophet and messenger”

Hammad

I believe that there is no God worthy of worship except Allah alone, and I believe that Muhammad is his final prophet and messenger

Frances

Also, please read then type it in Arabic: “Ash-Hadu an La iLaha illal-Lah, Wa Ash-Hadu Anna Muhammadan Rasulullah.”

Hammad

Ash-Hadu an La iLaha illal-Lah, Wa Ash-Hadu Anna Muhammadan Rasulullah

Frances

Congratulations… you are now a Muslim! I ask Allah almighty to keep you upon the path of all of His prophets, that He guides your steps and that He helps you in all of your life affairs.

Hammad

Keep in mind, that once you have accepted Islam, all of your previous sins are forgiven and that you are now starting a new fresh life.

Hammad

Do your best to keep your new records with God clean and if you fall into something which God forbade, make sure you turn to Him and ask him for his guidance and forgiveness.

Hammad

Why you want me to say that
Oh

Frances

Now you are a Muslim, that was the testimony of Faith 🙂 How do you feel now?

Hammad

Confused haha
I didn’t know that made me a Muslim

Frances

Tell me more, you agree with everything about Islam or not?

Hammad

I do yeah

Frances

So do you wish to say it in Arabic now with full conviction?

Hammad

That means I can’t drink and stuff though doesn’t it

Frances

Right
For a short time of patience
You will have a life long reward

Hammad

Does it matter I have a boyfriend?
I could do without drinking I suppose

Frances

You should tell him that you have accepted it

Hammad

Well I guess I said the testimony haven’t I
I’ll say it with conviction this time

Frances

Its better you say it again
Also, please read then type it in Arabic: “Ash-Hadu an La iLaha illal-Lah, Wa Ash-Hadu Anna Muhammadan Rasulullah.”

Hammad

Ash-Hadu an La iLaha illal-Lah, Wa Ash-Hadu Anna Muhammadan Raulull
rasulullah

Frances

Awesome!!! By the way, I am curious, what caused you to have an interest in Islam? 🙂Please share and I’ll return in like a few mins, is that alright?

Hammad

I didn’t believe Allah existed so I wanted to see what a Muslim said

Frances

So how did you come to this chat 🙂 ?

Hammad

Typed into the search Islam Chat and this website came up

Frances

Thats beautiful!
Thanks so much for sharing

Hammad

I’ll be glad to register you at our newmuslimacademy.org so that you could learn the basics of Islam. You simply need to share your full name and email with me, is that okay?

Hammad

Do you need my age? I’ll give you it if it helps

Frances

Just full name and email is needed for the site, anything extra you wish to share, you are welcome

Hammad

Okay, my full name is Francesca *** **, I’m 19 years old and live in Birmingham, my email is ****

Frances

Amazing thanks so much Sister Francesca *** 🙂 If you have any questions please ask 🙂

Hammad

I know some of us Muslim women wear a headscarf, do you think I should wear one? I’ll happily wear one if you think best

Frances

If you feel confident and feel it wont cause any harm then it would be best, I know some hide their faith and such, in those circumstances they are excused

Hammad

Come to think it’ll be a surprise for my boyfriend haha

Frances

Perhaps he can become a Muslim too
Then you can have a blessed family together 🙂

Hammad

I’ll flaunt my new religion
Hopefully so

Frances

What will happen if he doesn’t want to become a Muslim?

Frances

What does he follow now?

Hammad

Nothing

Frances

He believes God exists?

Hammad

Other lasses bums haha
No

Frances

You should put effort but if he doesnt show interest, I dont feel he would be a good potential to begin a family with, especially with the kids you know…may give rise to big conflicts.

Hammad

That’s fair, I’d want my kids to be Muslims so if he doesn’t convert I’ll just leave him

Frances

Also if he isn’t a Muslim, then it will negatively affect your faith too say if you marry him.

Hammad

He may do actions which would be contrary to Islam and would want you with him
Does it make sense?

Hammad

It wouldn’t surprise me, he’s cheated on me in the past so

Frances

Be straight forward with him
Your love for God is stronger then anything else
If you leave something for God’s sake, He will replace it for you with something better
Thats a promise of the Creator from the narrations of the Prophet.

Hammad

A person who lived the worst life, one dip in Paradise will make the person forget all the saddness.
And a person who lived the best life, one dip in Hell would make this person forget all the happiness.

Hammad

Happiness is created by Allah, and He has connected it with His Remembrance

Hammad

That’s beautiful

Frances

Satan tries to make the evil beautiful. But in the end, all it makes the person do is regret.

Hammad

Think about it, he tries to make wine beautiful, but drinking comes with consequences. He makes adultery beautiful but with it comes break up of families, ill effects etc.

Hammad

You’re right

Frances

Well it’s up to him, he can either convert or I’m gone
100% raising my kids as Muslims

Frances

Be strong Frances. Don’t let anyone control you or bring you down. Allah has blessed you with faith, its more expensive then everything in this world.

Hammad

You have a good heart, May Allah bless you and always keep you happy. Ameen. If you ever need anything, we are always here for you anytime!

Hammad

Thank you Hammad, you have a good heart too
Your woman is a lucky girl

Frances

Really appreciate.
In sha allah – Allah willing

Hammad

In sha Allah 🙂

Frances

Asaalamu alikum :). May Allah’s peace and blessings be upon you.

Hammad

Asaalamu alikum brother 🙂

Frances

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